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Minutes of Board Meeting: November 15, 2000,
NSCC President’s Board Room

Present:  Liz Kearns, Jerry Owens, Wanda Fullner, John Meerscheidt, Bob Messina, Debra Willendorf, Jan Brucker, and Ellen Beck.

Absent:  Sheryl Stich.

Visitors:  Phil Fuji (Neighborhood Development Manger, Northwest Sector, Department of Neighborhoods), David Hemmelgarn (Seattle Executive Services Department, Real Estate Services, Strategic Planner), John Arnesen (Seattle Public Utilities), Shauna Walgren (SeaTran), Pam Larsen (City Light), and Wally Fosmore (NSCC).

President Liz Kearns called the meeting to order at 7:04 p.m., and David Hemmelgarn and Wally Fosmore introduced themselves.

MinutesThe October 18, 2000 meeting minutes were approved as presented.

Treasurer’s Report:  Debra Willendorf submitted a written Treasurer’s report showing the beginning balance of $891.92 as of January 1, 2000 and receipts and expenditures to November 15, resulting in the LSCC present checking account balance being $559.12.  Our EIF account currently has a balance of ‑ $204.56, bringing our available balance to $354.56.  Our savings account has been closed out.


City Owned Properties in Neighborhood/PossibilitiesDavid Hemmelgarn gave out additional copies of the memorandum dated October 18, 2000 that he had previously sent to Licton Spring Community Council members regarding City-owned properties in the Aurora-Licton Springs Neighborhood Planning Area.  He went over the properties included and a general discussion of these properties followed.  Jan Brucker gave a recap of the ideas from the Neighborhood Plan regarding the properties, and she volunteered to the contract person for LSCC with the City.  Discussion followed on possibilities to redevelop SCL parking lots (smaller community oriented businesses on street level; parking garage above, or apartments above) and if the alleys were made pedestrian only, access could perhaps be provided to businesses located on Aurora.

The site of the North Precinct was discussed, including the desire of the Seattle Police Department to expand at that location and the difficulties of doing same because of water problems.  Jan Brucker mentioned that Northwest Hospital Clinic on Meridian was possibly moving from that location and Jan suggested that possibly this could be an ideal location for the Police Precinct to expand into.  Jan said that she had heard of an environmental study group that needed space and could perhaps take over the present location of the North Precinct.

Wally Fosmore mentioned that SPU had approached the College about buying property at the north end of the College property in order to build a water retention pond, which would help with the water problems at the North Precinct.  Wally said that the College was not interested in selling any its property.

Jan said that if the City owned the NW Hospital property, it would be an ideal location to allow a southbound exit to Northgate to be built allowing cars to exit directly into the mall (as they presently can from the northbound lanes).  She said that the NW Hospital property would have ample room for footings for a “fly-over” taking off from that site.

Bob Messina mentioned that it was unsettling to realize that one owner could be buying up lots and perhaps gain permitting from the City for a “large box structure.”  It is disturbing to residents that a development the size of Northgate North (Target and Best) was able to easily get permitted.  The residents of Licton Springs do not want to have that kind of large development come into our neighborhood, but rather want pedestrian friendly businesses.  It was suggested that zoning overlays need to be explored and also design guidelines.  Perhaps contacting Mayor Schell would be a first step.  Communities who have met desired growth need to have a way to protect themselves from large developments which would dramatically change their neighborhoods.

Alternative Sidewalks:  John Arnesen provided a brochure and described the alternative sidewalk (pilot project) that is being installed on Second Avenue Northwest between Northwest 120th Street and Northwest 117th Street in Seattle.  He said this street had not had street improvements, sidewalks or drainage prior to this project.  He pointed out that this was a fairly level street and the residents gave up parking spaces for the improvements.  The neighbors do have access via alleys to the back of their properties.  Everyone was encouraged to drive up and check out the project.  The swales are vegetated and the plan is to keep drainage above ground, which is a more natural method of water management.  The project costs approximately $800,000.00.

The street was originally 60 feet wide and residents used the street area next to their property for parking.  Now they have a sidewalk on one side of the street, drainage system, limited parking spaces, and the roadway now varies from 18 feet at Northwest 120th Street and at Northwest 117th Street, but in the middle is 14 feet wide.

There was a discussion of desired improvements to North 100th.  It was pointed out that this is not a level street and so would provide different challenges than Second Avenue Northwest.

Wally stated that the water collection system for the College’s parking lots allows for a 30 foot drop in elevation.  He said the College’s system has a rock bin filtration system that the water must pass through.  He says that the filtration bins fill with dirt in about two years and need to be cleaned out.

Shauna Walgren next talked about alternative sidewalks.  She had photos of various surface finishes and before and after pictures of blocks where the alternative sidewalks have been installed.  Areas to check out are Northwest Blakely between 25th and 29th (where the planting strip is also the water detention system) and the North 87th Walkway Pilot Project.  The City is exploring alternative sidewalks because the cost is less than traditional concrete sidewalks and there is a possibility to improve drainage with more permeable materials and/or systems.

Shauna said that SeaTran is working with SPU.  New drainage codes will be coming out in the near future and water quality regulations.  The Densmore Drainage Study will include local drainage and local drainage problems will be focused on.

It was mentioned that the Council can make application in 2001 to the Neighborhood Street Fund Cumulative Reserve Fund to possibly get funds to improve North 100th.

Phil Fujii thanked Dave Hemmelgarn, John Arnesen and Shauna Walgren for coming and speaking to the Council, and for the work they do.  They were all given a warm round of applause.  Phil said that “these are the innovators working for neighborhoods.”

The City needs a sidewalk fund and communities need to be saying this to the City.


:  Phil Fujii told us that we need to focus on our Neighborhood Plan in the first quarter of 2001.  We need to prioritize our issues from the Plan.  This means issues/things stated in our Plan, not new (anything not previously adopted from our Plan) issues.  He said that we need to come up with a strong proposal for alternative use of Wilson-Pacific.  An inquiry was made to Wally whether the College had any interest or need for space at Wilson-Pacific.  Wally stated that the College is in year 4 of a 10-year lease for space at Sand Point.  He said it was good for the College to have a presence in an area away from the NSCC site.

The North Seattle or Mineral Springs Park is well underway and it is not a problem that we will need to go into the new year to finish the work presently going on.  Liz Kearns reported that Chris Williams had possibly located funding for the netting that needs to be installed at the south end of the Park to protect cars and nearby property owners from being hit by discs being improperly thrown by disc golf players.  She said that there would be enough money to pay for the preparation of construction documents.  A letter is to be sent to Ken Bounds applying for $40,000.00 for the necessary safety net under the Neighborhood Response Application???

Questions were raised about the Parks for All levy passed by voters this fall.  Phil Fujii said that funds would initially be used for acquisition.  Wanda Fullner inquired how we should go about getting the Pillings Pond property on the “list.”  She said that the University of Washington, Audubon Society, Woodland Park Zoo, and NSCC could possibly interested in the Pillings property.

Phil Fujii said that he needed a small core group from the Council to meet with him to prioritize our short list.  Liz Kearns, Bob Messina, and Debra Willendorf (???) volunteered.  Phil said it  was important, with regard to Wilson-Pacific, to have all jurisdictions (SPU, School District, Parks Department, Sports Fields, the Mayor) working together and coordinating their efforts.  We should be touching base with everyone.

Our meeting wrapped up with Phil telling Liz to call Wendy Watson (615-1213) to get the core meeting scheduled.

The meeting was adjourned at 9:30 p.m.

Respectfully submitted,
Ellen M. Beck

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